ssj2 gohan vs super perfect cell SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. Him defending Vegeta as well as he did probably used a bit of chi, and the fact that he lost the use of his arm would also have made chi control a little harder. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. Consider the following scenario: Gohan has just taken a senzu bean to restore all of his stamina, but Cell has returned in his Super Perfect form. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. No one has mentioned how Gohan behaves just before Vegeta charges Cell. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. I mentioned Perfect Cell because I said that SSJ2 Gohan was many times stronger than Perfect Cell so him even being at half of Gohan's power would be a huge jump. I watched the entire video. Buu Saga SSj2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. Cell was both serious and not serious while fighting Gohan in his beam struggle. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. A good point. Then for Super Saiyan Blue I will be assuming the lowest possible multiplier, x2. If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. Anything would certainly help. If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 100 "The Old Benchmark" SSJ2 Vegeta: 80 Super Perfect Cell: 80 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 66.6 SSJ Majin Vegeta: 55 FP Perfect Cell: 40 SSJ Vegeta: 40 Dabura: 38 SSJ Kid/Teen Gohan: 33.3 Cell Games Gohan was constantly used as a benchmark early Buu Arc by Piccolo and Vegeta. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. I agree with this as he overpowered all the Z fighters except for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. And with a … Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). “Normal” Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. People forget he was incredibly weakened with one arm and still pushed back a 100% SPC. Perfect Cell: 900,000,000 (stated in a Daizenshuu that his power is over 900,000,000. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. That's the kind of thing I mean. Super Buu himself is comparable to SS3 Gotenks, as they were practically even. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. He is not stronger than Broly in this form. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. If … So I'm going to say Gohan hands down is stronger. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. DBZ was originally going to end after the CELL saga, SSJ2 Gohan was supposed the be the end of the line and stronger than everyone. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. Not to mention that Gohan was perfectly happy to fight Cell one handed until Cell made a Kamehameha; he only was low on chi and wanted to avoid anything involving it. Who would win in this fight? While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. Yes, people still debate that. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. So, to put it basically; Gohan, despite being demoralized from the deaths of Goku and Trunks, losing the use of his arm AND having very little chi left, still managed to defeat Cell. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. You are indeed where you belong. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. A drop in the bucket at the SSJ2 stage. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. I have to say that appreciate someone giving this more thought, but found that it didn't make alot of sense. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. So I also think that a full powered SSJ 2 Gohan could still beat Super Perfect Cell with ease. Not to mention any further zenkais or failed destructions would make Cell unstoppable. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. It changes how strong Piccolo is measured. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. These are easy enough to find and calculate. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. I don't like judging SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan by the beam struggle. - Sep 19, 12 The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Film©1989 TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. IMO Yes. How much does Gohan's 'boost' actually give him? Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. Super Perfect Cell wins. I couldn't watch the video, but I too will offer my opinion. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. Full Power Perfect Cell - 12. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. Kid SSJ2 Gohan was in another league compared to his older SSJ2 self. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. The way I see it is the Cell is probably somewhat stronger than Gohan at their best. This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. Or was it somewhere in between? Gohan beat him when he was already injured. This clearly indicates that Gohan was not just slightly more powerful, but so much more powerful that his attack destroyed every single cell of his body. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Ah, I never considered that angle before. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. However, I don't think he had enough power that he would have been able to beat Cell given Cell's skills and regeneration making him a monster when power levels are close. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. Gohan mops the floor with Cell. I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. 16 at the hands of the bio-engineered monstrosity, Cell. A beam struggle was really the best way to win as it negates all skill in favor of a contest of brute force, which Gohan would have a slight advantage in. There's no official guide to tell us how strong Piccolo has become after the Cell arc. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. An easier explanation is that Gohan's power increased because he felt the presence of his father. Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. Keeping in mind the feat of 'lack of fatigue' Cell has - that does make it difficult to tell his effort level but I feel like it is safe to assume at that point he was genuinely wanting to kill Gohan and was putting in as much effort as it would take...which wasn't enough as we know. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. He stated he was at half power after this. SSJ2 Gohan DID use his full power against Cell. x24 refers to the low range of the GT calculation and 96x to the high range. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. What are your thoughts on this fight? Agreed. In a word; yes. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. Gohan goes SSJ2 again with no effort and displays no fear or lack of confidence in his ability to destroy Cell. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . And thanks to the rage boost I gave Gohan it makes Gohan's power back then much higher than it would have normally been. And, this is a handicap match meaning cell won't just stand there. However in the latest Dragon Ball Super episode (hopefully there are no spoilers if you watch it) Frieza used it as his attack of choice when facing off in a beam struggle versus Aniliza (the Universe 3 Fusion). That's very well thought out. Imagine how the fight would have went if he was at full strength. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. We can assume that his 100% full health would be enough, but only by a little bit but Gohan still isn't mentally prepared to straight up kill someone yet. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Gohan had already used up a decent amount of chi in his fight against Cell. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. It's just … Though I think arrogance also played a role. Indeed it does. 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Any additions or things I missed? But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. The main question to answer this one is… how strong is Dragonball Super's Piccolo? Was he holding back? Using all of that - would a full health Gohan beat SPC in a 1v1 with nobody else around? Then he lost 18's strength. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. This shows that at the very least, he was in the same ball-park as Gohan's strength. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. I didn't watch the video. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. Leer cell super perfecto vs gohan ssj2, en Sin categoría. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. With that in mind, just because SSJ2 Gohan exercised with a heavy weapon I don't think his strength increased by much. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. For example, the Gohan losing half his power/Vegeta weakening cell theory thing the guy endorses seems overly complex. It's safe to assume that he is or should be stronger. As for the PLs, I do indeed have a distinctive list for everyone, including the DB Super fighters (though most are assumptions). This is certainly possible. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The answer is SSJ2 Gohan given how Super Perfect Cell couldn't even tank a Kamehameha from a weakened SSJ2 Gohan. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. If you have any questions, let me know. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I enjoy the challenge though. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. In the manga, after Goku goes SSJ2 before fighting Majin Vegeta, Majin Vegeta says that Goku is stronger than Gohan. While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. Gohan may have had the power to destroy him, but was he truly stronger? Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. SSJ2 Goku (Buu Arc) VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) + Super Perfect Cell - Jan 10, 14 Kid Gohan SS2 vs Super Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell Jr's. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. 'Super' Perfect Cell : 90 SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 75 Full Power Perfect Cell : 60 Cell has no shot against Vegeta or Goku, they're the most skilled fighters in the DBZ universe. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. Goku was able to stand toe to toe against Cell but was easily destroyed by Broly) Dangit - now I have to look stuff up to figure out this next part. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. My interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a Ki perspective, just! 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Real Life Catholic I Am, Crosley Cartridge Replacement, Hero Honda Passion Plus Clutch Cable Price, Sales Cloud Dumps 2020 Proprofs, History Chapter 1 Class 9 Notes Questions And Answers, Opinel No 8 Black Oak, Eldath Dnd 5e, " /> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. Him defending Vegeta as well as he did probably used a bit of chi, and the fact that he lost the use of his arm would also have made chi control a little harder. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. Consider the following scenario: Gohan has just taken a senzu bean to restore all of his stamina, but Cell has returned in his Super Perfect form. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. No one has mentioned how Gohan behaves just before Vegeta charges Cell. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. I mentioned Perfect Cell because I said that SSJ2 Gohan was many times stronger than Perfect Cell so him even being at half of Gohan's power would be a huge jump. I watched the entire video. Buu Saga SSj2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. Cell was both serious and not serious while fighting Gohan in his beam struggle. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. A good point. Then for Super Saiyan Blue I will be assuming the lowest possible multiplier, x2. If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. Anything would certainly help. If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 100 "The Old Benchmark" SSJ2 Vegeta: 80 Super Perfect Cell: 80 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 66.6 SSJ Majin Vegeta: 55 FP Perfect Cell: 40 SSJ Vegeta: 40 Dabura: 38 SSJ Kid/Teen Gohan: 33.3 Cell Games Gohan was constantly used as a benchmark early Buu Arc by Piccolo and Vegeta. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. I agree with this as he overpowered all the Z fighters except for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. And with a … Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). “Normal” Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. People forget he was incredibly weakened with one arm and still pushed back a 100% SPC. Perfect Cell: 900,000,000 (stated in a Daizenshuu that his power is over 900,000,000. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. That's the kind of thing I mean. Super Buu himself is comparable to SS3 Gotenks, as they were practically even. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. He is not stronger than Broly in this form. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. If … So I'm going to say Gohan hands down is stronger. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. DBZ was originally going to end after the CELL saga, SSJ2 Gohan was supposed the be the end of the line and stronger than everyone. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. Not to mention that Gohan was perfectly happy to fight Cell one handed until Cell made a Kamehameha; he only was low on chi and wanted to avoid anything involving it. Who would win in this fight? While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. Yes, people still debate that. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. So, to put it basically; Gohan, despite being demoralized from the deaths of Goku and Trunks, losing the use of his arm AND having very little chi left, still managed to defeat Cell. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. You are indeed where you belong. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. A drop in the bucket at the SSJ2 stage. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. I have to say that appreciate someone giving this more thought, but found that it didn't make alot of sense. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. So I also think that a full powered SSJ 2 Gohan could still beat Super Perfect Cell with ease. Not to mention any further zenkais or failed destructions would make Cell unstoppable. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. It changes how strong Piccolo is measured. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. These are easy enough to find and calculate. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. I don't like judging SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan by the beam struggle. - Sep 19, 12 The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Film©1989 TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. IMO Yes. How much does Gohan's 'boost' actually give him? Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. Super Perfect Cell wins. I couldn't watch the video, but I too will offer my opinion. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. Full Power Perfect Cell - 12. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. Kid SSJ2 Gohan was in another league compared to his older SSJ2 self. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. The way I see it is the Cell is probably somewhat stronger than Gohan at their best. This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. Or was it somewhere in between? Gohan beat him when he was already injured. This clearly indicates that Gohan was not just slightly more powerful, but so much more powerful that his attack destroyed every single cell of his body. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Ah, I never considered that angle before. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. However, I don't think he had enough power that he would have been able to beat Cell given Cell's skills and regeneration making him a monster when power levels are close. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. Gohan mops the floor with Cell. I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. 16 at the hands of the bio-engineered monstrosity, Cell. A beam struggle was really the best way to win as it negates all skill in favor of a contest of brute force, which Gohan would have a slight advantage in. There's no official guide to tell us how strong Piccolo has become after the Cell arc. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. An easier explanation is that Gohan's power increased because he felt the presence of his father. Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. Keeping in mind the feat of 'lack of fatigue' Cell has - that does make it difficult to tell his effort level but I feel like it is safe to assume at that point he was genuinely wanting to kill Gohan and was putting in as much effort as it would take...which wasn't enough as we know. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. He stated he was at half power after this. SSJ2 Gohan DID use his full power against Cell. x24 refers to the low range of the GT calculation and 96x to the high range. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. What are your thoughts on this fight? Agreed. In a word; yes. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. Gohan goes SSJ2 again with no effort and displays no fear or lack of confidence in his ability to destroy Cell. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . And thanks to the rage boost I gave Gohan it makes Gohan's power back then much higher than it would have normally been. And, this is a handicap match meaning cell won't just stand there. However in the latest Dragon Ball Super episode (hopefully there are no spoilers if you watch it) Frieza used it as his attack of choice when facing off in a beam struggle versus Aniliza (the Universe 3 Fusion). That's very well thought out. Imagine how the fight would have went if he was at full strength. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. We can assume that his 100% full health would be enough, but only by a little bit but Gohan still isn't mentally prepared to straight up kill someone yet. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Gohan had already used up a decent amount of chi in his fight against Cell. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. It's just … Though I think arrogance also played a role. Indeed it does. 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Any additions or things I missed? But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. The main question to answer this one is… how strong is Dragonball Super's Piccolo? Was he holding back? Using all of that - would a full health Gohan beat SPC in a 1v1 with nobody else around? Then he lost 18's strength. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. This shows that at the very least, he was in the same ball-park as Gohan's strength. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. I didn't watch the video. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. Leer cell super perfecto vs gohan ssj2, en Sin categoría. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. With that in mind, just because SSJ2 Gohan exercised with a heavy weapon I don't think his strength increased by much. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. For example, the Gohan losing half his power/Vegeta weakening cell theory thing the guy endorses seems overly complex. It's safe to assume that he is or should be stronger. As for the PLs, I do indeed have a distinctive list for everyone, including the DB Super fighters (though most are assumptions). This is certainly possible. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The answer is SSJ2 Gohan given how Super Perfect Cell couldn't even tank a Kamehameha from a weakened SSJ2 Gohan. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. If you have any questions, let me know. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I enjoy the challenge though. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. In the manga, after Goku goes SSJ2 before fighting Majin Vegeta, Majin Vegeta says that Goku is stronger than Gohan. While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. Gohan may have had the power to destroy him, but was he truly stronger? Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. SSJ2 Goku (Buu Arc) VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) + Super Perfect Cell - Jan 10, 14 Kid Gohan SS2 vs Super Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell Jr's. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. 'Super' Perfect Cell : 90 SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 75 Full Power Perfect Cell : 60 Cell has no shot against Vegeta or Goku, they're the most skilled fighters in the DBZ universe. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. Goku was able to stand toe to toe against Cell but was easily destroyed by Broly) Dangit - now I have to look stuff up to figure out this next part. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. My interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a Ki perspective, just! 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2 - He is consciously holding back and worried about the planet and those around him. Goku increased by several million PL during that Zenkai. Gohan seems to value his life less than his family and friends and as a result I don't feel like he would ever have the opportunity to unlock his rage and get the boost effect. This was obviously the last of his chi, as he went back to his base form and collapsed immediately after he killed Cell. This. First is that Gohan couldn't unlock that bonus boost at will. I think Cell attained ssj2 when he came back due to his aura. Then he blew himself up and returned, gaining a zenkai boost. He messed up with 2 points though. Then when Raditz was about to finish off Goku and Piccolo was injured, similar scenario as to the last moments of SPC, Radditz read off rage-Gohan's power level as 1370 and climbing. Cell could easily IT somewhere else quickly and destroy the planet, killing Gohan. "So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character". SSj2 Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Kid Gohan (Rage) >> SSj2 Kid Gohan (Normal). If I am not mistaken, Gohan blew Cell to death after having lost a good deal of energy AND one arm effectively immobilized. I see no reason to doubt them in this regard. Ssj2 is an 100x boost so simple math would put cell above Gohan plus the zenkai he got from blowing himself up. re: SSJ2 Majin Vegeta VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + Super Perfect Cell The gap between majin vegeta and teen gohan is not that big. My Initial Conclusion: While there is plenty of evidence (and perhaps even a majority) suggesting Cell was stronger than Gohan at this point, I still believe Gohan was stronger simply because he had the strength to destroy Cell despite both his injury and his trauma. Gohan, fully healed and with both arms still stomps Super Perfect Cell imo, the gap is just too big imo. So, Equal to Low End: x24 (x9,600) Using Dragonball GT Guide High End: x96 (x38,400), Regardless of which ones you use, you create a range for the potential of Gotenks. And if this theoretical battle happens on Earth he's going to try and keep his power level lower to not endanger the planet. Him defending Vegeta as well as he did probably used a bit of chi, and the fact that he lost the use of his arm would also have made chi control a little harder. The list is HUGE and there's a lot of terminology, so I will only give a short snippet of what I have, just everything going up to the battle with Golden Frieza. Gohan has a smile on his face and is like "Fuck ya motherfucker we didnt get to finish our fight, i didnt get to finish laying the smackdown on you, but your back so now I can resume kicking your ass." If he was only a little more powerful, it would have likely just injured cell, not obliterated him. Consider the following scenario: Gohan has just taken a senzu bean to restore all of his stamina, but Cell has returned in his Super Perfect form. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the whowouldwin community. No one has mentioned how Gohan behaves just before Vegeta charges Cell. The attack Cell used was definitely not a particularly powerful one. I mentioned Perfect Cell because I said that SSJ2 Gohan was many times stronger than Perfect Cell so him even being at half of Gohan's power would be a huge jump. I watched the entire video. Buu Saga SSj2 Vegeta vs. Super Perfect Cell Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Although I think the zenkai you mentioned is what pushed Cell to the SS2 limit, not that he attained SS2 and then managed to get an additional zenkai. Lastly we have seen cell go all out in earlier fights and his composure when he goes all out is not the same as his rematch with Gohan. Cell was both serious and not serious while fighting Gohan in his beam struggle. To put things into perspective, I'll only give a short list for Goku's power levels and a snapshot of how I got them. This suggest Super Perfect Cell certainly had the power to injure him. As for Cell's composure and personality, I do agree that Cell most certainly wanted to break Gohan's spirit, as was his cruel nature. A good point. Then for Super Saiyan Blue I will be assuming the lowest possible multiplier, x2. If he had time to raise his Ki then I argue that he wouldn't have been hurt. Again just my interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a ki perspective, is just a little bit below Super Perfect Cell. Anything would certainly help. If Goku knows or suspects a 2x boost is within Gohan's ability it is pretty easy to see why he was so confident in Gohan taking down Cell. SSJ2 Kid Gohan: 100 "The Old Benchmark" SSJ2 Vegeta: 80 Super Perfect Cell: 80 SSJ2 Teen Gohan: 66.6 SSJ Majin Vegeta: 55 FP Perfect Cell: 40 SSJ Vegeta: 40 Dabura: 38 SSJ Kid/Teen Gohan: 33.3 Cell Games Gohan was constantly used as a benchmark early Buu Arc by Piccolo and Vegeta. It came down to the kamehameha struggle as a last effort. He had control of the struggle, but also had to amp himself several times to match Gohan. I agree with this as he overpowered all the Z fighters except for Super Saiyan 2 Gohan. And with a … Half-health Gohan was slightly less powerful than SPC at least as far as Ki goes but enough to not get instantly vaporized. So I'm researching and calculating the exact power levels (and feats) of every Dragon Ball Z character but a particularly critical match-up has become a very difficult one to answer. Been a while since I've watched/read that arc but reading through a lot of the replies - I have to agree that SSJ2 Gohan was more powerful than Super Perfect Cell. The terms are: BoG(Battle of Gods), ResF(Resurrection F), GE (God Essence), SPC (Super Perfect Cell). This makes the most sense to me, since something like this would explain how a Full Power Perfect Cell(12) would get wrecked by SS2 Gohan(20). “Normal” Perfect Cell fought to a near standstill with SSJ Goku, with a bit of an upper hand. The fact his arm got injured just made Gohan think he was down to half of his power due to his special confidence problems. ©BIRD STUDIO/SHUEISHA, TOEI ANIMATION. I submit that Gohan simply had more power available to him, though they were almost completely even. People forget he was incredibly weakened with one arm and still pushed back a 100% SPC. Perfect Cell: 900,000,000 (stated in a Daizenshuu that his power is over 900,000,000. In the anime this is explored further of course, but in the manga it's far too short to know for sure. That's the kind of thing I mean. Super Buu himself is comparable to SS3 Gotenks, as they were practically even. Alrighty - we've made some assumptions and it's time to go to the conclusion they lead to. Here is the evidence (from the anime and manga) to consider in this fight: SS2 Gohan was certainly stronger than Perfect Cell, this is unquestioned. He is not stronger than Broly in this form. And good point on the Death Beam, it didn't focus Goku in the slightest when he tanked it in their fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. The scouter read Gohan with a 710 power level. If … So I'm going to say Gohan hands down is stronger. Was Gohan truly at a lower level of power thanks to this injury? SSJ2 Gohan is fast but prone to standing around letting Cell act. During the Cell Games, young Son Gohan witnessed the death of a soft-spoken, gentle android known as No. Boy, Super must give you an aneurysm then. DBZ was originally going to end after the CELL saga, SSJ2 Gohan was supposed the be the end of the line and stronger than everyone. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. Not to mention that Gohan was perfectly happy to fight Cell one handed until Cell made a Kamehameha; he only was low on chi and wanted to avoid anything involving it. Who would win in this fight? While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Freeza's Death Beam is a good comparison but that in and of itself is a pretty low tier attack used purely for executions and is utter garbage against an opponent in a remotely similar league(see Goku easily deflecting a barrage of them). If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. Not much though or he wouldn't have held up as well in the beam struggle. Yes, people still debate that. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. So, to put it basically; Gohan, despite being demoralized from the deaths of Goku and Trunks, losing the use of his arm AND having very little chi left, still managed to defeat Cell. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. Since he was at half strength was it so much that it put him over his power level at full health? Adjust for transformation from first form and assuming at BARE minimum First Form Frieza is as strong as Tagoma, we can assume this level of power is similar to Ultimate Gohan. SS2 Gohan, while injured and fresh from Goku's death, had the power to completely destroy Cell while he was taken off guard. You are indeed where you belong. Edit: On another note, I'd love to see your notes on PLs throughout the series up until this point. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. S+ refers to SS Goten + SS Trunks. Cell was very confident in his victory, but so was Gohan prior to the fight. A drop in the bucket at the SSJ2 stage. Gohan didn't hold out long at all and Cell was toying with him the whole time. I have to say that appreciate someone giving this more thought, but found that it didn't make alot of sense. When Gohan jumped in front of the blast he wasn't defending or bracing himself. I won't go into the details, but ultimately this is why I need to know where Super Perfect Cell falls. SSG Goku BoG_____62,972_____188,915,094,340, SSG Goku BoG+_____108,255_____324,764,150,943, SSG Goku BoG S+_____4,545,991_____13,637,971,698,113, SSG Goku BoG x24_____1,104,481_____3,313,443,396,226, SSG Goku BoG x96_____4,364,858_____13,094,575,471,698, SSG Goku BoG SPC_____62,893_____188,679,245,283, SSG Goku BoG SPC+_____108,176_____324,528,301,887, SSG Goku BoG SPC S+_____4,545,912_____13,637,735,849,057, SSG Goku BoG SPC x24_____1,104,403_____3,313,207,547,170, SSG Goku BoG SPC x96_____4,364,780_____13,094,339,622,642, SSB Goku ResF Low_____7,930,869,527_____23,792,608,579,565,700, SSB Goku ResF+ Low_____23,438,167,497_____70,314,502,491,990,000, SSB Goku ResF S+ Low_____41,332,060,453,008_____123,996,181,359,025,000,000, SSB Goku ResF x24 Low_____2,439,757,142,221_____7,319,271,426,664,300,000, SSB Goku ResF x96 Low_____38,103,979,285,333_____114,311,937,855,999,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC Low_____7,911,079,467_____23,733,238,400,379,700, SSB Goku ResF SPC+ Low_____23,404,137,495_____70,212,412,483,683,400, SSB Goku ResF SPC S+ Low_____41,330,630,908,588_____123,991,892,725,762,000,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x24 Low_____2,439,409,833,472_____7,318,229,500,415,330,000, SSB Goku ResF SPC x96 Low_____38,102,606,700,684_____114,307,820,102,053,000,000. So I also think that a full powered SSJ 2 Gohan could still beat Super Perfect Cell with ease. Not to mention any further zenkais or failed destructions would make Cell unstoppable. Half power Gohan was absolutely nothing to a Cell who wasn't even serious. Vegeta’s blast only distracted Cell enough for Gohan to gain his confidence and get some momentum going. The killing blow, so to speak, wasn't so much that it made finishing Cell child's play but was enough to tip the balance and obliterate him completely. It changes how strong Piccolo is measured. Putting into sheer power alone, Gohan would have to be significantly stronger in order to make it an easy fight, but given how close the battle was when he was injured, the gap is certainly far closer than we think. Gohan was able to hold in a beam struggle with Cell with one arm for a long time. Gohan was injured prior to their match-up after trying to save Vegeta. I just don't think he would have the fortitude to do that and with nothing else pushing him he never would. Previously we saw a 2x power multiplier when Gohan raged and unlocked his temporary boost. Let's also consider that Gohan has this untapped amount of power that he's always never been able to use at will. These are easy enough to find and calculate. If Gohan was only ASSUMING he was at half strength and simply had to bring out his true power, this makes him more even with Cell. He boasts his perfection even after noticing that others rival him. I don't like judging SPC vs. SSJ2 Gohan by the beam struggle. - Sep 19, 12 The beam struggle ends up being the best way to win. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . So you've got a few different phases of Gohan worth talking about in this fight. When Cell came back stronger, he also came back at 100% energy/stamina. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. I personally favor Gohan as having more power than Cell given all of Goku's statements seeming to favor that as well as Gohan lamenting that he wanted to tear Cell to pieces. Before, Cell stood no chance obviously. If he had been fighting with that level of strength from the beginning and wasn't held back at all, I think it was very possible that Gohan could have won a true fight. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. Film©1989 TOEI ANIMATION CO., LTD. All Rights Reserved. IMO Yes. How much does Gohan's 'boost' actually give him? Second is that Gohan had never actually killed an opponent and wasn't battle hardened. The moment Goku helped his son the emotional support was able to fill Gohan with enough power to finish cell off. Super Perfect Cell wins. I couldn't watch the video, but I too will offer my opinion. Super Perfect Cell has an electrical aura, much like the one Super Saiyan 2's have. It was only because of SPC's arrogance that he put himself into a position where he could be entirely destroyed. However, Gohan was injured and he was holding back, per Goku. But I'll give my 2 cents anyway... IMO Yes. I don't believe there is an additional boost beyond that. There are 5 possible avenues for Gotenks strength: Equal to Super Saiyan 3: x400 Equal to Goten Plus Trunks Base Form: x2 (x800 in SS3) Equal to SS Goten Plus SS Trunks: x100 (x40,000 in SS3) Using Dragonball GT Guide on Gogeta, Fusion Dance is dozens of times stronger. I always believed Dabura's power was somewhat close to Super Perfect Cell, but not as strong. Full Power Perfect Cell - 12. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Considering all of this, the true and honest match-up shall begin! I've watched this a ton, and Gohan's power was basically divided in two, since he could only use one arm, and he still managed to win (albeit with a BIT of help). I feel Gohan wasn't ready to actually kill. Kid SSJ2 Gohan was in another league compared to his older SSJ2 self. The categories are mostly separated based on alternate calculations using the 5 ways to calculate Gotenks I mentioned above: Blank means equal to SS3, the bare minimum. This gives us an assumption of 'boosted' half-health Gohan as a bit less than full health Gohan or as much as full health Gohan at best. I refuse to believe Half-power Gohan>Super Perfect Cell, especially when Cell was able to damage Gohan as much as he did when Gohan was at FP, and SSJ2 is supposed to be only a 2x multiplier itself. It's very distinctive that Cell's aura changed to a similar one to SS2 in his Super Perfect Form. The way I see it is the Cell is probably somewhat stronger than Gohan at their best. This is the kind of stuff I analyze all the time and have a huge list. Or was it somewhere in between? Gohan beat him when he was already injured. This clearly indicates that Gohan was not just slightly more powerful, but so much more powerful that his attack destroyed every single cell of his body. Gohan raged with Goku's help and boosted to defeat SPC - I feel like it is reasonable to assume a 2x power boost from his current power level which was probably lower than half as he was injured as well as fatigued since when he claimed to be at about half his total power. This would suggest Cell is at an even 100 with no additional boosts. Ah, I never considered that angle before. My big question has always been how much power did that unlock-able boost actually give him? In any case, hopefully you'll enjoy it. Cell's skills and regeneration made him a terrifying opponent to put down. However, I don't think he had enough power that he would have been able to beat Cell given Cell's skills and regeneration making him a monster when power levels are close. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Find out how strong Piccolo, Goten and Trunks, and Super Buu are together and you have your answer. After gaining a huge boost, returning from the dead and injuring Gohan, Cell's confidence must have been at an all time high. The only time we actually have a legitimate measurement was wayyyy back to when Raditz visited Earth. We never saw Gohan's full power at this time so we don't have a good gauge but this does tell us a couple things. Goku believes he is holding back so as to not destroy the planet, as well. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Dragon ball tends to hint at ability through aura alot and an aura's details can tell alot about a character or a form. Cell also displayed a ssj1 aura earlier in the show as well. Though it was channeled attack, I think this is proof enough that even small attacks can be very powerful. Piccolo later says Majin Vegeta was stronger than SSJ2 Gohan when he fought Super Perfect Cell. Gohan mops the floor with Cell. I'm going to go against the grain and say...I really don't think so. Hell, the fact that he even held Cell out for that long, shows that half of Gohan's strength was almost as much as Cell going all out. 16 at the hands of the bio-engineered monstrosity, Cell. A beam struggle was really the best way to win as it negates all skill in favor of a contest of brute force, which Gohan would have a slight advantage in. There's no official guide to tell us how strong Piccolo has become after the Cell arc. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. While Gohan most likely has the edge in power, this alone does not guarantee his victory. An easier explanation is that Gohan's power increased because he felt the presence of his father. Gohan was emotionally wrecked after Goku's sacrifice, as he believed he was responsible. Keeping in mind the feat of 'lack of fatigue' Cell has - that does make it difficult to tell his effort level but I feel like it is safe to assume at that point he was genuinely wanting to kill Gohan and was putting in as much effort as it would take...which wasn't enough as we know. Gohan would have to finish Cell off quickly before fatigue sets in to have a chance. What we do know is that Gohan has a power level in his head that is his potential full power. But I'll disagree that he would defeat Cell in the prompt. Goku was able to bring out more power out of Gohan because he was holding back, either because he was trying to protect the planet or because he was not enraged. He stated he was at half power after this. SSJ2 Gohan DID use his full power against Cell. x24 refers to the low range of the GT calculation and 96x to the high range. I mainly use the xBase Form unit as it makes things easier to track, but determining power level from them is easy enough so I track those too. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. What are your thoughts on this fight? Agreed. In a word; yes. In any case, here are the current power levels and multipliers I have for each of Goku's current forms and possible ranges. Gohan goes SSJ2 again with no effort and displays no fear or lack of confidence in his ability to destroy Cell. If it was more than half his original power again and that's what it took to beat SPC - we can predict that full health Gohan may not have a chance against SPC without others around to push him into unlock-mode. SSJ2 Gohan is leagues ahead of Super Perfect Cell in raw strength and pure power . And thanks to the rage boost I gave Gohan it makes Gohan's power back then much higher than it would have normally been. And, this is a handicap match meaning cell won't just stand there. However in the latest Dragon Ball Super episode (hopefully there are no spoilers if you watch it) Frieza used it as his attack of choice when facing off in a beam struggle versus Aniliza (the Universe 3 Fusion). That's very well thought out. Imagine how the fight would have went if he was at full strength. If Gohan was truly at half strength when doing the beam struggle, this would suggest in a fair fight he'd have no trouble. SSJ2 Gohan is about 2–3 times stronger than SSJ Goku at the time. Once he realized even his new power was not enough, he'd IT to somewhere else on the planet and blow it up. Personally, I believe that an SS2 Goku would beat Perfect Cell after a good fight, but he would lose to Super Perfect Cell. We can assume that his 100% full health would be enough, but only by a little bit but Gohan still isn't mentally prepared to straight up kill someone yet. I DO NOT OWN DRAGONBALL. This boost is what pushed him to his new level, in this case Super Perfect Cell. Gohan had already used up a decent amount of chi in his fight against Cell. The attack that was used to kill Vegeta but was intercepted by Gohan looked casual but was enough to injured Gohan severely. It's highly suggested that Gohan might have lost had Vegeta not distracted Cell. So while he was likely not using his full power at first, I think he was by the end given how stressed out the battle became. Then his friends got blown away, he was the last stand of protecting the Earth, and Goku was yelling at him that he NEEDED to get that power out. SSJ2 Gohan destroyed “normal” Perfect Cell, so in conclusion, Super Perfect Cell is significantly stronger. It's just … Though I think arrogance also played a role. Indeed it does. 1 - Gohan thinks he knows how powerful he is and I'd say that's pretty reliable but does not account for the 'boost' since he doesn't seem to really have a lot of belief in his ability to unlocks it. We saw him holding ground at what looked like full exertion against SPC who was genuinely putting in full effort. Assuming there's no significant increase in Goku's base form until Super, we use this as the base. My honest opinion is that Gohan would still dominate SPC. PFM18 , Apr 24, 2019 He did eventually, after a little encouragement from Goku, muster up the chi to create his own Kamehameha. While Gohan just intercepted a blast that would have killed Vegeta. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Gohan beat him when he was already injured. Any additions or things I missed? But either way, yes, Gohan was certainly underestimating that blast and paid the price for it. The only thing I wonder is if Gohan was actually at half power considering how much power Goku was able to coach out of him, but you make a solid point. He was at 50% when he overpowered Cell. The main question to answer this one is… how strong is Dragonball Super's Piccolo? Was he holding back? Using all of that - would a full health Gohan beat SPC in a 1v1 with nobody else around? Then he lost 18's strength. I think he wished to break Gohan's spirit by beating him while not at full strength, in my opinion cell was probably going >50 but <75 when Gohan put the last of his energy into a Kamehameha. This shows that at the very least, he was in the same ball-park as Gohan's strength. I also believe that while the attack meant to kill Vegeta LOOKED casual, it was a very devastating blow. With DBZ power levels liking even multipliers for the most part, let's call it a 2x boost. Similar to Frieza's laser beam, this puts doubt that this attack was in fact a casual blast. Ssj2 goku plus seven years of training(we all know how hard goku trains) would be a stomp. I didn't watch the video. Indeed, I agree with this assessment. I believe Gohan was stronger than SPC. Leer cell super perfecto vs gohan ssj2, en Sin categoría. There are no others around, so there is nothing for Cell to exploit to attain victory. Was it only possible because Vegeta distracted him? The NEW base form for Goku was even with Frieza's new Final Form. With that in mind, just because SSJ2 Gohan exercised with a heavy weapon I don't think his strength increased by much. If you love to imagine the planet-exploding battles of the fictional gods who will never be, taking pointless knowledge gathered from a life spent reading and gaming and swinging it like a gladiator's sword in discussions on reddit... then welcome home, my friend. For example, the Gohan losing half his power/Vegeta weakening cell theory thing the guy endorses seems overly complex. It's safe to assume that he is or should be stronger. As for the PLs, I do indeed have a distinctive list for everyone, including the DB Super fighters (though most are assumptions). This is certainly possible. My reasoning would probably be because of their auras. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The answer is SSJ2 Gohan given how Super Perfect Cell couldn't even tank a Kamehameha from a weakened SSJ2 Gohan. It's one thing to want to kill your opponent but another thing entirely to ACTUALLY be ready to kill. Also, I did watch the video and it seemed like one of the points being argued was that the attack that Gohan jumped in front of for Vegeta was strong enough to immobilize Gohan, therefore Cell is "proven" to be stronger. If you'd like to see more, I actually have a video detailing the entire process for determining how strong Super Saiyan God is, it's probably easier then me just typing it all out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c15778Vv0Bg. If you have any questions, let me know. Come join our discussions, post your own battles and kick some ass! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. I enjoy the challenge though. The only Zenkai increase we have seen that would rival SPC's apparent Zenkai increase would be Goku's after the fight with Ginyu. SSJ2 Gohan DID defeat Super Perfect Cell with his full power. As Tagoma was compared to Ultimate Gohan, we then must determine his strength via Buuiccolo, the strongest fighter Gohan was definitely stronger than. + refers to Goten plus Trunks. That being said, even a casual blast could do a lot if Gohan was arrogant enough to think he could just tank it or outspeed it. So in a fight it might tip in his favor given all the possibilities of victory. Seen it tons of times and I feel like that was Goku's big goal in the hyperbolic time chamber - teach Gohan to actually use that since it was such a huge well of power. I know what Piccolo said, he said Majin SSJ2 Vegeta isn't hugely stronger than SSj2 Kid Gohan (Vs Cell). No other aura in dbz has lightning besides ssj2 and ssj3. You then transfer this to each fighter being compared and then apply necessary multipliers. Additionally, I believe SPC was incredibly confident (as always) and basking in his new found power. Gohan is still quite a bit stronger than Super Perfect Cell. In the manga, after Goku goes SSJ2 before fighting Majin Vegeta, Majin Vegeta says that Goku is stronger than Gohan. While Gohan may have the power in edge, his personality and lack of experience are a serious disadvantage that would tip the battle against him. Full health Gohan, injured half health Gohan, and injured half health Gohan + "boost"...that's just what I've always called it in any of the cases where Goku or some other action forces Gohan to go above his own perceived power. Gohan may have had the power to destroy him, but was he truly stronger? Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. SSJ2 Goku (Buu Arc) VS SSJ2 Kid Gohan + SSJ2 Vegeta (Pre-Majin) + Super Perfect Cell - Jan 10, 14 Kid Gohan SS2 vs Super Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell Jr's. He was also distraught from having Goku (and Trunks) die. 'Super' Perfect Cell : 90 SSJ2 Teen Gohan : 75 Full Power Perfect Cell : 60 Cell has no shot against Vegeta or Goku, they're the most skilled fighters in the DBZ universe. I'm constantly trying to improve this list, looking for more accurate ways to determine the ranges. Full Power SS1 Gohan - 10. Honestly, ANY SSJ2 should beat Super Perfect Cell. Goku was able to stand toe to toe against Cell but was easily destroyed by Broly) Dangit - now I have to look stuff up to figure out this next part. If its SSJ2 Gohan after he trains with the Kais then he stomps easily. Now we'll look at Gohan at half health. There are no other senzu beans and Gohan has no fatigue or injuries. My interpretation here but half health Gohan, from a Ki perspective, just! 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